Confidence After Chaos: Reclaiming Self-Worth Through Trauma Healing | denise g. lee pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Season 3, Episode 1 & 2
Denise G. Lee is a Healing and Leadership Coach who helps leaders and solo entrepreneurs turn personal struggles into professional breakthroughs. She knows firsthand what it’s like to build a business while battling deep-seated fears, self-doubt, and unresolved trauma. Through her own transformation, she discovered that true leadership isn’t just about strategy—it’s about emotional resilience, clarity, and healing.
Denise is the host of the Introverted Entrepreneur Podcast, where she has powerful conversations about overcoming obstacles, decision-making, and sustainable success.
“You can’t vision board this away.”
Summary
In this 2-part conversation, Denise G. Lee, a healing and leadership coach, discusses the profound impact of unresolved trauma on confidence and clarity. She emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and compassion in the healing process, exploring how cultural influences shape our perceptions of beauty and self-worth. Denise shares her personal journey of healing, highlighting the multifaceted nature of recovery and the role of dreams in understanding our subconscious. The conversation encourages listeners to embrace their healing journey with bravery and honesty, recognizing that it is a continuous process of growth and self-discovery.
Takeaways
Unresolved trauma can significantly impact confidence and decision-making.
Self-awareness and compassion are crucial for healing.
Cultural influences can distort our perceptions of beauty and self-worth.
Healing is a complex, ongoing process that requires bravery and honesty.
Dreams can serve as a powerful tool for understanding and healing trauma.
It's important to question societal expectations and norms regarding beauty.
Healing often involves reclaiming memories and addressing past traumas.
The journey of healing is unique for each individual and cannot be rushed.
Compassion for oneself is essential in the healing process.
Healing comes in waves, and it's normal to encounter new challenges along the way.
“Healing comes in waves.”
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Healing and Leadership
00:48 Understanding Confidence and Clarity
02:49 The Impact of Trauma on Decision-Making
07:09 Self-Awareness and Compassion in Healing
11:00 The Role of Societal Expectations
17:21 Navigating Relationships and Trauma
19:52 Finding Your Path to Healing
24:18 Generational Trauma and Its Effects
26:06 The Impact of Childhood Messaging on Healing
26:53 Embracing Your Authentic Self
28:24 The Reality of the Healing Journey
29:25 Layers of Healing: A Continuous Process
31:12 Practical Steps to Begin Your Healing Journey
32:44 Denise's Personal Healing Journey
35:58 The Role of Self-Responsibility in Healing
38:53 Understanding Trauma and Its Effects
41:38 The Power of Dreams in Healing
50:38 Final Thoughts on Healing and Compassion
Jessica Vanrose (00:01.512)
Welcome or welcome back to Life After Trauma. I'm Jess, your certified trauma-informed life coach. If you're new to the podcast, we bring women from around the world together through conversations that will empower, support, and inspire you on your healing journey. This week, we have Denise G. Lee on the podcast. Denise is a healing and leadership coach who helps leaders and solo entrepreneurs turn personal struggles into professional breakthroughs.
Today we are going to be having discussions around clarity, self-doubt and confidence. Hi Denise, thank you so much for being here today.
Denise G Lee (00:37.04)
It's been a pleasure just even talking with you Jess. I'm so glad to be here as well.
Jessica Vanrose (00:41.72)
Thank you. Let's jump right in here and talk about confidence and clarity. What are some of the invisible ways that unresolved trauma can affect our confidence and clarity in decision-making? And how can we call it out with compassion and not shame?
Denise G Lee (01:03.39)
That's a mouthful. We're just going straight into the deep waters. I like it that too. So, I mean, let's literally let's talk about confidence and clarity before we talk about this the second part, because I think everyone throws out confident those words, you see it on the IG reels and TikToks. Everyone was like, I'm every woman like, well, we don't have to sit here and recreate a Whitney Houston dance video but
Jessica Vanrose (01:07.212)
That's how I like it. Vibrate it.
Denise G Lee (01:30.962)
The idea of confidence, right, in my humble opinion, is the ability to show up emotionally, physically, and spiritually without fear, self-pity, or doubt.
Jessica Vanrose (01:46.986)
Ooh, ooh, I like that.
Denise G Lee (01:50.012)
Yeah, and the reason why I'm breaking it down from the emotional, the spiritual, right? Because we are physical, we're technically spirits living in physical bodies. I remember one coach said, are earth suits. And I'm not going to go into the religion and all that stuff. That's a whole different conversation. But the fact of the matter is we have souls and we're interacting. And what happens is when we are not rooted into who we are, not just as women, not just as people,
but as spirits that having connections with our ancestors, to the people that we meet on the streets, to the people that we have met in passing. We're having soul connections. And if we're not being able to have clear conviction on, have a right to be here, past, present, and future, we will disrupt our ability to relate to ourselves and one another.
Jessica Vanrose (02:46.904)
Denise, you are just like knocking me out like right from the beginning. Like, my God, no, I love that. And I love what you're saying about the being here, like knowing who you are being rooted in yourself. I feel like that plays a huge role in confidence. Like, I feel like without having that.
it's really hard to have true confidence.
Denise G Lee (03:19.134)
For a lot of us who have survived horrific things, traumatic, stressful things, one of the first things to get robbed is our ability to think, to feel, and to be. So we can't talk about confidence without integrating our body, mind, and soul into the picture.
Jessica Vanrose (03:37.27)
Yes, 100 percent, completely, completely agree.
Denise G Lee (03:40.35)
So we just talked about confidence, right? So now let's talk about the clarity. That's a whole new ball, another ball of wax, right? I remember I was, had this client just, and I remember she, everything she was telling me was a reference from Red Table Talk. I mean, I mean, it's now off the air, whatever. was a meta Facebook thing, whatever. And she's like, oh, Jada Pinkapest is it there? And I remember earlier last year when,
Jessica Vanrose (03:45.974)
yeah.
Denise G Lee (04:05.97)
Jennifer Lopez came out with her, is Me Now, and she had the pre video and then the explanation of the video and she was all in love and she was like, all you need to do is heal your inner child. And all those examples told me a lack of clarity. Because what I mean by lack of clarity is if you are rooting your truth on people who are still finding their truth,
You are lost. We know now in 2025 about what happened with Red Tabletop, a lot of things happen. And the, I'm not going to go into the Will and Jada Smith drama. That's a whole different conversation. It's all different podcasts. We know what happened with Jennifer Lopez and their love story with Ben Affleck, know, Benifer. We all knew what imploded. But if you are anchored in thinking that I can base my truth
Jessica Vanrose (04:37.836)
Yes.
Denise G Lee (05:04.402)
based on an incomplete picture, you have no truth. And I see that a lot with women. We take projections of what we see with Meghan Markle and Harry or what's going on with Paul, like all these situations. And we're thinking that's our guidepost.
But we're not realizing that they're human beings navigating sticky situations. And by trying to attach our worth, our idea of stability based on ever-changing cultural things, we lose ourselves in the process. So when I say clarity, I'm talking about ability to understand yourself, understand the importance of who you are and how you relate in the absence of everyone around you.
Jessica Vanrose (05:46.84)
Yes, yes. So how do we get that? I know a loaded question.
Denise G Lee (05:56.04)
Right? This is the time we exhale, right? Because we're thinking to ourselves like, whoa, Denise just gave me a textbook example of confidence and clarity. Like, do I need to make a manifesto about how I'm supposed to live? Where do I find this online? Where's my listicle? And the thing about it is, is that there is no clear cut. This is my path to clarity and confidence. But it is a call out to
Jessica Vanrose (06:11.821)
That's right.
Denise G Lee (06:23.42)
What is influencing you for better for worse?
Jessica Vanrose (06:26.584)
Hmm.
Denise G Lee (06:28.222)
And I think that's really the main message about this is that I can't give you the answers, but I can call out the things that's messing with your mind, past and present. There was a wonderful book just that came out. It was like a few years ago. It was by Oprah Winfrey and Dr. Bruce Perry. And it was What Happened to You?
I remember some therapists that I was associating with said highly recommended it. And I'm not going to go through the diagnosis of the whole book that's beside the conversation. But the main idea is that the reason why we're confused, the reason why we lack confidence and clarity is because stuff from the past is messing with us today. And if we don't interrupt those patterns, it will and can mess with us in the future.
Jessica Vanrose (07:20.534)
Yes. Yeah.
Denise G Lee (07:21.532)
And so that's why we're going to talk about the trauma. That's why we're going to talk about the stress. That's why we're going to talk about why you're dating the same guy that's been beating you up beside the head and the only thing that's changing his first name.
Jessica Vanrose (07:33.524)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. We all have those patterns. Yep.
Denise G Lee (07:38.014)
But it didn't happen in a flu. I remember one of the things that my husband told me that I said habitually, and I didn't even realize it, in the beginning of our marriage, said, where are you going? Where are you going? And I first thought it was from a place of care, but it was really from a place of paranoia and suspicion because I grew up in a family where my father was a blatant flanderer. And in my mind, I thought,
Jessica Vanrose (07:41.474)
Mm-hmm.
Denise G Lee (08:08.038)
If you're married, you're stepping out.
Jessica Vanrose (08:10.604)
Hmm.
Denise G Lee (08:12.092)
So there's so many patterns that we as women repeat on loop. And if nobody catches us, we'll just keep trying to manifest what we think will happen based on unhealed wounds.
Jessica Vanrose (08:30.496)
Yeah. So what that sounds like to me then is that we need a whole lot of self-awareness and compassion, which ties into the second part of that question. How do you suggest that we embrace more self-awareness? Like, how can we become more self-aware?
Denise G Lee (08:58.696)
love how you mentioned how we can't have the compassion without the self-awareness. Because it's like, how can I drive my car blindfolded?
Let me put on the bright fold and go to the local store. Let's see how far you'll go.
Jessica Vanrose (09:15.294)
Yep. For Charlotte.
Denise G Lee (09:18.61)
say that jokingly, right? But that's what we're doing every single day when we get up and we get dressed and we want to find love. We want to grow our businesses. We want to show up and be present. And then we're finding why in so many ways, nothing's working.
I don't know about you, but I remember I'm old enough to remember when Britney Spears started dating myself now. She she shaved her head, right? She shaved her head every Monday. And everyone's like, she lost her mind. She lost her mind. And so what happened was during that same time frame, they had an interview with Beyonce. There's a reason why I mentioned all these pop culture for good reason.
Jessica Vanrose (09:49.753)
yeah, I remember that. Yeah.
Denise G Lee (10:06.898)
Just bear with me. And I remember during the interview, asked me, there was a reporter said, well, you guys are around the same age and you're not shaving your head and wheeling umbrella towards people. What's happening? And Beyonce said something very interesting. She you know, when you have the spotlight on you, it makes you forget what's really happening. And if you don't have anyone around you, and if you don't have a strong sense of sense, you'll...
sense of self, you'll lose yourself. She was like in her mid twenties when she said that. And I don't even think I really even understood that when she said that. But the bad of the matter is for a lot of us, if we have received horrific traumatic situations, studies have shown that you're literally stunted at the age the trauma happened. And I know this for a fact because I remember
Jessica Vanrose (10:38.072)
Hmm.
Denise G Lee (11:01.5)
When I got into hardcore pornography around 14, 15, my mind was kind of stuck in that adolescent. And to make matters worse, adolescence technically does not end until 25. So I was operating from this idea that I was only as good as what my body did. And men are only as good as what they provided sexually.
Jessica Vanrose (11:08.141)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (11:24.45)
Hmm. Mm-hmm.
Denise G Lee (11:25.842)
So that awareness was so stunted. I was literally operating on low capacity. have a soon to be nine year old son. It's like asking my nine year old son, Hey, I want you to figure out quantum mechanics for me. And that was how I was living life. I was trying to adult with a 14, 15 year old mindset. So
Jessica Vanrose (11:40.302)
Ha ha!
Denise G Lee (11:50.344)
Part of that awareness is figuring out where am I deficient emotionally and spiritually? Am I more than just my body parts? Are people depending on me or am I heavily depending on people? A lot of trauma survivors have this concept called learned helplessness where they believe that they can't do anything unless people show up for them over and beyond what's natural because they don't have a sense of self and healthy awareness.
Because I know that first a long time. I tried to get my father to believe in me. I tried to get him to acknowledge me. He was busy trying to chase Chell. He was busy trying to avoid things. It's kind of hard to get approval from a coward. But that's what a lot of women do. They're looking, especially women who've been abused emotionally, physically, sexually, they're trying to find validation from cowards.
Jessica Vanrose (12:36.716)
Hmm.
Jessica Vanrose (12:45.806)
Hmm. Yes. Yes. Wow, Denise. I know. I am loving it.
Denise G Lee (12:53.788)
And I haven't even gotten to the compassion yet. Yo.
Jessica Vanrose (13:02.486)
Denise G Lee (13:02.622)
So let's talk about compassion, right? That's another overrated thing. Cause like we live in a society, Jess, we live in a society that tells this world only as good as how much Maybelline products we can get. I remember taking my son to the store. I know, right?
Jessica Vanrose (13:15.618)
Yes.
Jessica Vanrose (13:19.47)
Mm-hmm, yes.
Denise G Lee (13:24.636)
I went to this Ulta store. I know you're up north. You guys have maple leaves here.
Jessica Vanrose (13:28.856)
Yeah.
We don't have Alta here, but we have Sephora. Yeah.
Denise G Lee (13:35.976)
Sephora, there's Sephora here too. So imagine this, right? We're going to Alta, which is Sephora Lite, okay? And I'm taking my son with me and, because I just drag him wherever he, that's what you do with kids, you just drag him when you don't have a babysitter. And we were going to the Alta store, Sephora, so whatever you wanna call it. And my son, he pulled me, said, mommy, and allowed this for, you know what, these ladies are here, right? They wanna be sexy.
Jessica Vanrose (14:06.542)
I love this.
Denise G Lee (14:10.494)
Sexy. said so big, I didn't say no to him. I said, honey, why do they want to be sexy? I said, because they want to be loved. Why is a nine-year-old making that connection, but a 25, 26, 46, 62-year-old woman's not making that kind of connection? Are you as only as good as the products that being pushed in front of you?
And even if you buy as many products, it'll never be enough because they're always making you wanting more, better, and different. And you're never good enough.
How can you get your confidence by looking at things that are designed to make you feel unconfident and insecure?
Jessica Vanrose (14:54.22)
Yeah, 100%.
Denise G Lee (14:57.084)
So a lot of people talk to me about, I want this confidence, right? And just get the nip and the tuck and the lift and the push and the...
Jessica Vanrose (15:05.262)
Hey, I mean I've considered both so many times like yeah
Denise G Lee (15:06.792)
and the sun
Denise G Lee (15:12.222)
You know, you turn to a human breast doll. I mean, I mean, do your thing, girl. I'm not sitting here and telling nobody nothing, right?
Jessica Vanrose (15:18.667)
You
No, no, no, no, I'm just saying I haven't done it, but I've considered it because of exactly what you're saying. Exactly what you're saying. mean, unfortunately for women, we are socialized that our value comes from our beauty and our youth, our youth mainly because, you know, you can't have beauty without being youthful. So, yeah, yeah, no, keep going.
Denise G Lee (15:51.518)
It's such a high cost. It's such a high, high, high, high cost. You know, I think about Madonna, who's trying to defy gravity and reality simultaneously and aging, like a trifecta of reality, aging and gravity, all of it. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make, she's married, she's married her grandbaby. I mean,
Not her little grandbaby, but you know, like age-different like grand-grandbaby!
Jessica Vanrose (16:17.172)
Yeah. I know. Yeah.
Denise G Lee (16:24.072)
shame in that game either. No shame in that game either. But we see the resistance to reality. And if we're seeing people refusing to age gracefully, what are we to do in our 20s, 30s, 40s? Do we hop on the bandwagon and nip and tuck and cut and pull? I remember talking with my husband about this just the other day. And my husband was like, why is everybody like big asses?
You know, Kim Kardashian's got a big ass. And I'm like, is it just black folk that like big asses? And I was like, is it health? Is it to say that, you know, just like their ability to like be fed well through robotics? And I was just laughing when he was saying this. He's comical, more comical than me. And I said, honey, her behind wasn't always that big. She got an ejecta-bles.
Jessica Vanrose (17:16.11)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Denise G Lee (17:18.226)
could tell if he was a cartoon character, steam would come out of his ears at that moment. Like you can do that. And he was like, yes, baby, you can do that. I'm not telling everyone who's listening to say go out and get injectables in your ass. That's not the conversation that I'm saying. But if you're sitting here and idolizing people and you're not realizing they're a work of cosmetic tree, then you're blasting, you know.
Jessica Vanrose (17:41.868)
Yeah, plastic.
Denise G Lee (17:45.982)
there was a rapper, I forgot who it was, it doesn't matter, the rapper's name. And she was saying, yeah, I got all the injectables out. It was almost 16 ounces of fluid. I can sit better now. And she went and talked about this on social media. was like, I didn't listen to it because for lots of weird, it's too weird for me. But just the idea of that, you're now hearing after the fact that they've gone through all that pain and the money and the expensive.
This was not gold that was glittering.
Jessica Vanrose (18:20.524)
No, no, it's a myth. it's the carrot that they dangle in front of you that is like, hey, one, put your attention here. Don't focus on the other things that are actually more important, but focus on this. And two, like, this is your path to being happy and being successful. And it's just, it's so not the case. I understand why people
follow it but it's I I feel
I wish that they had more self-worth, like more sense of their self-worth, like knowing that they don't need these things. Like if somebody is going down that path and it's simply because like, well, I just want to look beautiful and it's not at all tied to their worth, then I mean like, hey, but...
I feel like for most people it's tied to their worth and that's like, it's just, you don't need that to be worthy or to be loved.
Denise G Lee (19:39.486)
Well, I mean, we're talking about two different things. We're talking about how the machine of capitalism works and whether or not it's actually going to make you healthy. Those things are two disparate things. Okay. If you want to push products, you're going to have to lie, masquerade, outright deceive people. Like, let's give a classic example. This is all we're going to come back to trauma. you, if I was talking to a client about this, she was lamenting to me, I know you had a bodybuilder person that you were talking to earlier. She's like, I wish.
Jessica Vanrose (20:07.576)
Thank you.
Denise G Lee (20:09.106)
When I was growing up in the 70s, they said you shouldn't be lifting any weights. And now I'm in my 50s and I'm like a big old pile of jelly and now I have been told to lift weights. I feel like I've been deceived. I was told all this stuff and every generation, they were feeding one thing to promote one certain thing. I remember when I was growing up, everybody was talking about drinking milk, cow milk specifically. We never even questioned that dairy farmers were pumping out all those ads.
Jessica Vanrose (20:32.91)
Yes!
Jessica Vanrose (20:38.57)
Yeah. Yup.
Denise G Lee (20:41.342)
And so why does this have to do with trauma? I want to really tie this one back in. If you've been constantly gaslit in a family where your sense of emotional, physical, financial safety was never stable, and you're sitting there watching this video about if your butt can just be lifted up two inches, you can get the man of your dreams, you will never question that.
Jessica Vanrose (20:45.998)
Bye then.
Denise G Lee (21:05.49)
and you will find someone that will affirm those lies and then some, and then you will find yourself re-traumatized.
Jessica Vanrose (21:12.333)
Ooh.
Wow, yes, 100%, you are totally correct. Mm-hmm, that's damn Denise. So, okay.
Like, my mind is still processing that statement.
Denise G Lee (21:39.23)
The gaslighting is for real. It's like levels on levels on levels on levels of gaslighting. Like think about this, all right. Let's just say for whatever reason, my husband drops dead, God forbid, right? And I decide to be the cougar I've always wanted to be. I'm 43 years old. I'm going to step out with a 27 years old. Like, yes, yes, go get it. I'm going to be a cougar. Okay, so now.
Jessica Vanrose (22:01.31)
Okay.
Denise G Lee (22:07.986)
This young man, I'll call him Andrew, okay? He's been listening to a steady diet of Drake. So he has misogynistic views. He believes that he could be a crypto kink, okay? So he's thinking his worth is attached to the money he makes. And on top of it, he wants to make his friends feel insecure because he didn't feel secure in his own sense of manhood because his daddy wasn't there.
Jessica Vanrose (22:15.726)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Denise G Lee (22:38.192)
Now what if I decided I slipped and lost my damn mind and decided to step out with this young man who's dealing with insecurity of his self-worth, his confidence, he doesn't know how to treat a woman properly because he never saw it modeled because there was no man figure trying to keep him in check as a man. What would did do as of a confidence of my as a woman if I had unhealed trauma wounds? I would try to nurture that little boy.
Jessica Vanrose (22:45.614)
Mm-hmm.
Denise G Lee (23:07.228)
Because he is a little boy.
Jessica Vanrose (23:08.018)
Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, 100%. This is this is I mean, those patterns that we talked about and and 100 % like if you have already healed from trauma and you fall back into that pattern that you yeah, you're going to be re traumatized like
Denise G Lee (23:28.766)
I see this so many times, I see women saying, well, I'm at the certain level. My 401k took to a 201k because of crazy politicians. I'm not going to get into those politician names. It's a different conversation. And I need to measure up. need to keep up, forget the Kardashians. I need to keep up with the McAlisters and the Baxter's and all this stuff, right?
Jessica Vanrose (23:45.166)
.
Denise G Lee (23:54.3)
And you're not realizing that in the pursuit of trying to measure up and feel good about yourself, you're not realizing those same people are knee deep in debt. That those same people have horrible relationship issues. That some people are self-medicating with sugar, which is alcohol, all sorts of stuff. Swipe up, paint out.
Jessica Vanrose (24:04.718)
Mm-hmm.
Jessica Vanrose (24:09.294)
Mm-hmm.
Denise G Lee (24:24.562)
We are living in a world that wants us numb. And if you've never dealt with your trauma, you're going further down the rabbit hole.
Jessica Vanrose (24:32.478)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, a hundred percent. So how, how, Denise, how, where do we go from here?
Denise G Lee (24:43.032)
where we gonna go from there. It depends on who you are, love. I don't know where we gonna go from here. I mean, for a lot of us, we just sitting there content to listen to some... what's that girl's name? I should say girl, names a girl and woman.
Mel Robbins or whoever, let them be. It's okay, you're a hot mess, let them be too. And I'm like, that's not the answer, okay? That's part of the answer is to let people be and you do you, that's part of the answer. I think a lot of people just stop at that level. It depends on how far you wanna heal. For me, the biggest thing that helped me was reclaiming my memories.
Jessica Vanrose (25:02.243)
the
Jessica Vanrose (25:14.594)
Yeah.
Jessica Vanrose (25:18.104)
Yep.
Jessica Vanrose (25:23.086)
Let's talk about that. How did you... how did you do that in the first place? Okay.
Denise G Lee (25:29.702)
Not all my memories. I ain't say all of them. Some things are better left probably in the dumpster fire in my recesses of my mind.
Jessica Vanrose (25:39.999)
huh. I hear that.
Denise G Lee (25:44.058)
One of the things that trauma survivors do is when you have an incident that is inexplicable and you don't even like either the words or the ability to even perceive, your brain says shut off and we're done. Let's just sweep this bad boy in the back room.
And that's the survival mechanism. Our body is flooded with stress hormones. We always talk about core zone, right? That's just one of them, right? Adrenaline, norepinephrine.
Jessica Vanrose (26:12.398)
Mm-hmm.
Denise G Lee (26:26.878)
our vagus nerve, the part that regulates our parasympathetic nervous system says, girl gone. And it's literally operating in reptilian mode. And all that stuff gets locked away for good point, for good reason. Because if you don't have the tools, your brain doesn't want your body to completely shut down. There's parts of my life just where
Jessica Vanrose (26:45.677)
Mm-hmm.
Denise G Lee (26:54.864)
I don't remember when my mother raped me. I don't remember it. I remember sometimes when it afterwards. I don't remember some of the details. I was, I've been, I've been molested many, many times from other men. Some memories is crystal clear. Some are just little fragments. The point I'm trying to make is that our body is brilliant in trying to keep us survived. But when we have those memories blocked,
We don't just block the memories, Jess. We also block our ability to be resilient. We have blocked our ability to have a sense of agency, who we are, what we're capable of. We block our ability to relate to ourselves and other people with compassion and love. A lot of things get blocked when we dissociate. When I say dissociate, we're literally blocking the memory from the timeline. So when we were claiming that,
Jessica Vanrose (27:51.202)
Hmm, yeah.
Denise G Lee (27:54.046)
What we're basically saying is I'm going to walk with gentleness and compassion not necessarily to revisit the memory but to revisit the feelings and sensations that came around. You cannot reclaim a memory unless your body physically feels safe.
And so maybe it's galloping on a house horse doing yoga walk, doing yoga. I don't care what you do. You know, there are so many different ways to start healing the body first before you start tackling the cognitive, the mind part. And for some of you ladies listening, it's going to be a lot of years. Save your money. Don't go see the shrink. Go hop on a horse. Go do some water aerobics.
